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1984 or 2010?

With a view to our upcoming discussion of "1984," I found these latest attempts at Ingsoc's handling of history pretty frightening. The first is Radovan Karadzic denying that there ever was such thing as the siege of Sarajevo or the massacre at Srebrenica: as reported in the NYT.
The siege of Sarajevo, where more than 10,000 people died in 44 months, was not a siege by Bosnian Serb forces, he said. Instead, Sarajevo was a city divided by fighting, he contended, where Muslims killed other Muslims and “planted bodies of dead soldiers” around the city to put the blame on the Serbs.
Then here is Ahmadinejad casting doubt on 9/11 after denying there had been any kind of Holocaust in WWII.

“The September 11 incident was a big fabrication as a pretext for the campaign against terrorism and a prelude for staging an invasion against Afghanistan.”

Add to that our own Giuliani boldly stating that there had been no terrorist attack on America during Bush's Presidency, Palin's assertion about "Death Camps" and we are on a slippery slope, my friends!

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Charles Shaughnessy


  1. Ahmadinejad has also questioned the death toll for 9/11 and stated that the U.S. never released the names of the dead--I guess he was upset because he wasn't invited to the memorial ceremony in 2007 when the names of the victims were read aloud.

    Regarding his denial of the Holocaust, unfortunately he's not alone. The Institute for Historical Review, whose headquarters are in southern California, hosts a website that not only promotes Holocaust denial but also attacks the existence of Israel and questions Obama's legitimacy as president. There are quite a few people who still deny that the Holocaust ever happened; obviously they have never visited the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C.

    Giuliani's comments are quite amusing and disturbing, especially since he continually used his role in the response to 9/11 as the reason why he was best qualified to be president. I guess he forgot who was president when it happened (or does not think that it was a terrorist attack--yet somehow they did put some blame on the Clinton administration). And Sarah Palin should be smart enough to know that we already have death panels for health care; we just call them insurance companies. I guess she never has had to contact one of them to deal with the health care of a loved one.

  2. Thank you Karen!! Your extensive knowledge of history is going to be such a blessing here. I do hope, though, that these discussions about "slippery slopes" are not going to turn into "look at what those evil Republicans are doing". The 2 parties are just 2 sides of the same Corporate Coin, and are equally at fault. If we're going to survive this mess, we need to realize the people need to work together, and that the politicians aren't on our side.
    Don't forget, that the media takes sound bytes out of context and they are repeated without looking at the big picture. Sarah's comment about "death panels" was based on the writings of one of Obama's HC advisors Ezekiel Emmanuel(brother of Rahm the Dead Fish man), and yes...he is a eugenicist. Was it hyperbole and overly dramatic? Yes. Did it get totally spun out of betcha. And there are things that the right repeats about the left that are JUST as misconstrued.
    One of the big issues in 1984, is that the people have no freedom(slavery!!),and the government gives them everything, at the govt's discretion. Slippery slope indeed.
    Looking forward to these discussions!

  3. Look for the "March of Remembrance" coming to Washington D.C. on April 11th, "Holocaust Remembrance Day".

    This march is sponsored by the people of T.O.S which are from Germany...some of the supporters are the grandchildren and relatives of Nazi Officials from WWII.

    These amazing German people march along the same route that the Jews and others had to march to the death camps. They do this to promote love, forgiveness and healing.

    It should be a revealing event with testimonies from actual Holocaust survivors.

    Here's a link

    Blessed are the Peacemakers,

  4. In some respects, Facebook is like 1984. In real life, when someone no longer wants to be your friend, you see it coming. You have a fight. One of you moves away. There's something.

    On Facebook, if someone no longer wants to be your friend, he simply "unfriends" you. You have ceased to be in that person's world. You have, in essence, become an UNPERSON.

    It's very disconcerting.

  5. I actually thought this was really interesting. I read 1984 a couple years ago, and to be honest I hated it. But since then I've become a little wiser and I've come to appreciate the book. I would love to read it again when I have some spare time. I think it's so scary that people deny things like the Holocaust or September 11th. It's embarrassing when there's so much overwhelming evidence supporting something and it's denied. It's only right that as people we tell the truth, regardless of what party line or background we come from. I mean it comes back to basic society morals, as kids we are told to always tell the truth. It seems that our society has become so corrupted that people can't even manage to do that anymore.

  6. Will have to see if I can find the time to go back and read 1984 in order to have an intelligent discussion with everyone. Love reading everyone's comments though.


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